Should we allow name and shame for....?

[one eyed jack]

No show models and no show producers?

This would be done in such a way to allow both parties to defend or account for their actions or at least apologise.

It seems the no show to bookings on models (and producers too who cancel last minute) ratio are just getting as bad as each other.

I'd like to remind everyone that UKAP is not here to police or arbitrate mishaps between people in the industry and all we are doing is merely informing the producer and performers in our community so that they can best be informed if they decide to work with someone.

The more sinister stuff that goes on should still be dealt with inside the secret forum for models only but in this case producers and performers can quote a no show record and decide if they want some kind of guarantee before agreeing to a shoot for instance a minimum fee that could be offset against the completion of a booking.

[one eyed jack]

56 people viewing and only 2 votes.

Has anyone got any spine or is this such a controversial subject you cant vote on or what?!

[UglyDaz]

I'm happy to chip-in with a name (well I'll give you the initials if you like).
MC.
Cancellation 1: The night before - the other model was booked and ready so that was a real fuck-up.
Cancellation 2: On the day with less than an hour to go - A call to say she wasn't well... again, the other model was booked, ready and sat beside me.
Cancellation 3: The day before with an excuse so odd that I won't go into it.

I even went to the trouble of offering to drive the 150 mile round-trip to get her and then deliver her home afterwards!
Wouldn't mind but she was the one chasing me for work!.. up til recently she still was.

[one eyed jack]

Its ok to name names here Daz. Her initials mean nothing to me. Is she a newbie? A regular? She doesnt sound reliable if she has let you down three times already

If she is someone we know we can alert her to this and welcome her response as it would be in her own interest to do so.

If she chooses not to respond then obviously people will determine for themselves the kind of model she is.

I'd like to point out here that its not in UKAPs interest to damage reputations but encourage dialogue between both parties as silence in this case and quiet whispers go much further in damaging reputations and often invite misundertanding of the situation on both sides of the fence.

Does MC have anything to say to her defence?

[Kim]

Yes we think timewasters e.g. no shows, producers not giving actors/actresses notice when a shoot not going ahead etc should be mentioned on here. They will then be able to explain themselves to justify their actions, persistant people will soon show as timewasters & this help producers & fellow models in the long run when arranging shoots.

Kim

[KazB]

Yes - a no show with no valid reason should be public if the producer has substantial proof that the girl no showed. If he can proove this beyond all reasonable doubt and provide circumstantial evidence(ie she just disappeared/I never heard a thing/I checked the obituaries but found nothing) then it's fair game.

[one eyed jack]

Im not sure how a producer or model is supposed to prove a no show with out showing personal emails etc and this route is unnecessary.

The way this works is that the model or producer wil be notified and allowed to respond. There should be no need for mud slinging and i dont think it need go that far.

This should be a quick way for producers and models to clear their names without having to be the subject of misinformed rumours ....as Kim says

[kendo]

Definitely our industry is no different to other except for the fact that for some models there's a lot more money to be made, possibly short term, possibly long. So if you were let down by any other tradesperson once maybe twice how many times would you have to be let down by the same idiot before you say enoughs enough.

A lot of these no shows are because, fuck the bruises and scratches, its because they earn enough in the evening on TV and maybe the odd shoot here or there, so if they decide, fuck it I can't be bothered to work tomorrow then, well who cares about the other model, lighting, make up, etc as long as they earn enough and can party hard.

One no show with me, good reason, maybe a leg has fallen off, OK but a second well fuck off you time wasters.

Kendo having a great weekend and not getting too wound up see you in Berlin x

[kendo]

Hey its not just the UK models as well I'm pissed off with, Mya Diamond let me down on the same film, wait for it, because she had a headache the day before. What a wanker. Not only did I have to do the same call round of shame and cancel everyone. But this time I lost another £400 on flights etc etc. This is after me giving her boyfriend £1000 a week every time we work in hungary for some poxy lights and him having a kip on the sofa, not anymore

Kendo

[one eyed jack]

Also i think a lot more models are producing their own stuff too and therefore identify with the time wasting of a no show. This means a lost day when they could have been out earning money as well.

Dont get me wrong, Im sure there are going to be genuine reasons for a no show which is why we allow the right to reply and in the event the accused has no idea this claim has been made about them they will be notified (where possible) so they have the option to respond.

If you dont respond then perhaps you are guilty as charged but Kennys right. This business is no different to any other so why treat it as such.

This polll closes on the 9th though it looks so far so many are in favour that it is most likely to go ahead anyway.

Guidelines will be supplied as to how we should conduct this aspect as we would prefer to avoid the spectacle of mud slinging

[melodychase]

Hi Guys, although I dont work much with anyone else, and Id like to strongly point out that although my initials are MC I am not who Daz is talking about although he would be someone I would consider working with for reasons I wont go into lol.

I do read the forums and see what people are going through on both sides of the camera that I think this is a good idea, hope it was ok me posting.

Melodyxx

[one eyed jack]

Melody Chase wrote: hope it was ok me posting.

Thats what this whole forum was set up for. Models, producers and fans Melody.

Feel free to speak your mind. Who knows we might be able to sort out peoples problems here and make it just a bit better a place for us all to work in.

Oh and thanks for clearing that up. I was wondering who this MC was. See? right thereinitials just make it worse. Best to come right out and say who it is I think.

[one eyed jack]

Come to think of it, why should we stop at performers and producers?

There are also a bunch of dodgy agencies masquerading as being the leaders in their field of entertainment scamming people out of their money and useless mail order outfits. Industry friend and tog Nick Field has had someone impersonating his services which has had a knock on effect on his business

All should be mentioned here. At least we can give them a chance to respond and see if they are legitimate. if they are genuine i would think nothing of it to apologise to them personally and in public.

I hear of some agencies commanding really attractive fees for people to do por that just dont exist and I think we all know who the biggest players in the business are since we are in the adult business already.

[wildfowler]

Yes we should name and shame models ( and photographyers ) that waste our time and money as like most people I get really pissed off spending time setting up shoots and booking my cameraman other to get a text message the night before the shoot saying I have just come on or I dont feel well even tho 5 hours ago when I spoke to you I was fine

Drives me mad

[one eyed jack]

If a girl comes on and decides she doesnt want top shoot for that reason then thats ok but it depends on the producer if they are ok if she uses a sponge and even more so if said model is ok or even knows how to use the sponge. Im sure a fellow model could advise on such matters.

I hear you though Mr Wildfowler. How about voting on it?

[one eyed jack]

Results of the poll:

Need I say more? A landslide in favour of, so you got it and here it is: http://www.ukadultproducers.com/board/forumdisplay.php?f=13