The future of UK porn?

[doyle]

Hey All,

Looking at the state of CD/DVD sales falling and all media moving to the internet. Radio is already on the net TV soon looks like it will move over.

The porn has always been big on the internet, maybe even the drive for the development of some new technologies during the start of the internet!

Also with hardcore porn or seeming tame now, and extreme fetishes becoming more common, where does UK porn move now?

I think this is a interesting debate to keep the UK industry alive! Especially after one eye jack's comments on BGAFD - male auditions thread.

[jimslip]

Well as the chief merchant of "Doom and Gloom", I certainly have a view on the ultimate outcome of porn. I was predicting the downturn 4 years ago, much to the mirth of my contemporaries.

My view is that the imagery contained within the porn genre is now boring to most people. I remember when I was 14 someone passing around the classroom a pic of a minge covered with hair. You couldn't actually, tell what the fuck it was, I mean it could have been a squashed hedgehog, but everybody was going mad to see it.

Now days a 14 year old, would put his fag to one side, pause sharpening his blade, look at the pic and scoff.

I think sadly, porn as a main stream genre is doomed. It is already splintering into hundreds of niche areas and this will continue. However each niche itself, is a Rubik's Cube, with a myriad of possibilities, so bunging stockings on some old slapper and having a site called "Slappers in Hose" (Quite a good name actually!) wont necessarily work.

Pornographers have themselves ruined the huge market on the internet with their incessant greed. By making surfing porn virtually impossible, without ruining your PC, they created a climate of mistrust between our customers and ourselves.

I always say, for every member of my site, I reckon there are a hundred more who'd love to join, but just don't, because of trust.

So in closing, the outlook for porn is not good, not good at all!

[Dazza]

"so bunging stockings on some old slapper and having a site called "Slappers in Hose" (Quite a good name actually!) wont necessarily work."

Shit....and i thought i was finally onto a winner! Hey ho, back to the drawing board.....:D

[one eyed jack]

For all the people I see coming into this business promising they are doing something different, all I see is those same guys doing whateveryone else is doing.

Mostly badly.

its the same idea of hiring a chick to suck your dick or the same old guys shagging the same old girls. I notice blowjob lines are coming in too.

Everybody with a video enabled mobile phone is at it now.

While I think the future of porn seems to lie more in the methods of its delivery i am not seeing much in the way of creativity, but then how much can one reinvent the wheel?

Thats not to say there isnt good stuff out there. I see a lot of stuff that gets my pulse racing so its all good to me. I'm simple in my tastes. I like to see girls getting fucked. Whether they be young and cute or middle aged and fit. Its all good to me.

How many different ways can one be interested in sex? The mentality within has to be revolutionised for that to even work. I look around and still see the US providing a wider range of fetishes and niche material more than the UK but then thats to be expected since they are way bigger than us by one state alone.

Oh yes the future of porn...Erm. Er. Uh. I'll come back on that one.

[jimslip]

On the other hand, you could actually find, that the future holds the re-emergence of porn.

The theory being, that when the world collapses into economic collapse, there will be millions of people with nothing to do. They can't buy a new sofa, go out for a meal, or book that dream holiday. The male mind will easily rationalise this situation, into a feeling that they at least deserve one pleasure in their lives, ie to be a member of just 1 porn website.

"After all, it wont break the bank and 'er indoors still goes to her fucking health club, yeah fuck it, I'll join that jimslop.com site, he looks like a decent fella and he wears a suit just like me. Yeah, I've worked my fucking fingers to the bone, I fucking deserve it. I'm going to 'ave just one wank a day, and that's going to be on jamslip.com!"

Well you never know...........can't I dream?

During the Great Depression, trivial pursuits, like attending nightclubs and recreational activities did very well.

[one eyed jack]

The future of porn is robot sex.

Dont any of you watch Terminator?

Female Terminators are going to fuck men to death and film it to terrorise the rest of the human race.

..and theyre going to do it the worst posible way too. Female robot chicks with titanium dicks... and to top it all there wil be an oil shortage because no one can afford it.

Oh shit! The apocalypse is coming!!!!

There you have it. The future and end of all porn as we know it.

Serioulsy though? i think the future will get a bit more strange when people will tire of seeing pretty girls getting shagged and unusual tastes within legality will be the next way forward. Whatever that is anyones guess.

I also believe that porn has got to such a stage already that it is just a voyeuristic thing than just something you switch on just to have a good tug. Brain candy if you like. lie watching something realy fucked up for the sake of watching it. porn is such a general term these days.

[jimslip]

Are you saying girls in the future will look like Kristanna Loken, that robot babe in Terminator Rise of the Machines?

Will they dress in skin-tight outfits and wear their hair in a nice neat bob?

Wow can I have one of those please???

[jimslip]

Yes I've been thinking about this. I expect the Robot Babes would have to run on hydrogen fuel cells, as a car battery would be far too heavy and take up too much space, in her rib-cage. Although, the advantage of a car battery is that it is quite easy to charge up from a normal 13amp supply.

Presumably she'd have an on/off switch. Any idea where and when they'll be available Terry? There's no sign of them in the Argos catalogue.

[one eyed jack]

Well its all boob jobs and botox now Jim. Just wait when robotic parts are brought in and the same girls who have been queuing up for boob jobs will be getting bionic fannies and bums which can crunch your dick to a pulp when they clench their butt cheeks.

"Oww! ya crazy bitch! That hurt!!!!"

Clang!!! Gawdammit!!!

You all mark my words, this will be all the rage one day. T-1000 Pussy!

Ha ha..Ok Doyle.Sorry man, you wanted a serious answer. Lets stay on topic.

Blame it on Jim. He started it!!!!!!

[Dazza]

http://www.tube8.com/fetish/robot-sex/55556/

[one eyed jack]

Oh so Bjorks the future of porn now is she?

I'll get me coat!!!

Great video though

[doyle]

one eyed jack,

as you said, its seems to be the same girls & same guys doing the same think. I look at some US porn and you can not tell one scene from another.Is this becoming robot porn!

It seems like some producers (mainly in the US) are just trying to bee more and more shocking! and push the bounders.

Jim i think you are right about the down turn in the economy, all the bankers that loose there money, posh flats, cars and thus the pulling power, will have to go home and wack off to something!

this topic integers me as the music industry is shitting its self and trying to prosecute everyone that downloads via p2p, but it will soon die or not make as much money!

[emptyjampot]

No one mentioned about the impact of video piracy. You can now download just about any porn title through sites like rapidshare in minutes, not to mention the sharing of usernames/passwords to sites. Piracy is what will destroy porn as a 'Business', which is good, since porn, like soccer, should never have become a 'Business' in the first place. Look what Stock Aiken and Waterman did to music. The same thing has happened to porn. Performers need the confidence to say to producers 'screw you!, I'm gonna shoot my own stuff'

[one eyed jack]

... Performers need the confidence to say to producers 'screw you!, I'm gonna shoot my own stuff'

They do dont they? They just dont need to be rude about it is all. You never know what friends you might need on the way up..Or down.

[emptyjampot]

Sorry, didn't mean to be rude, :)

[jimslip]

I noticed this comment:

"Piracy is what will destroy porn as a 'Business', which is good, since porn, like soccer, should never have become a 'Business' in the first place. Look what Stock Aiken and Waterman did to music. The same thing has happened to porn. Performers need the confidence to say to producers 'screw you!, I'm gonna shoot my own stuff'"

So, at what point does the "Performer" then become a "Producer"? As soon as he or she books a third party to perform. So presumably at this point he becomes a Capitalist pig, for simply wanting to earn a few quid. So how does he buy the camera, tapes, stills camera, lighting, locations and pay the performers? What? "They'll all do it for free? cos they're so horny?" I don't think so!

Also, remember, the free-loading porn junkie, will expect top quality productions, when he starts stealing our new "Performer turned producer's" new work. So tell me, how long is our "Newbie" going to be taken for a dumb fuck and continue supplying free stuff to the porno thieves?

The new age porn consumers are not mugs, they get a good service for little money. Football supporters on the other hand are screwed senseless. Us "evil producers" in porn, can never hope to earn the fabulous sums that soccer stars earn, we never did and never will.

Piracy will not "Kill porn", because people who enjoy thieving porn paid for by others are porn junkies, they are not fans, they are like hungry locusts going from one torrent site to another, trying to feed their addiction but never satisfying it.

The porn locust is rapidly becoming irrelevant, because these folk will NEVER EVER actually pay for anything. The new upcoming market of porn consumer, wouldn't be caught dead, plowing through all the shit that can be pirated. They want to be part of something. Be able to sign onto a site and get what they want, without their PC being compromised, by, viruses, root kits, trojans and spy ware all of which the porn junkie is quite happy to endure, as part of his obsession.

Because of the security issues, the new porn consumer will join maybe 1 proper site, enjoy it and be able to scramble their internet track easily after they've viewed it. Unlike the porn junkie, these people have jobs, families, friends. Even if they wanted to, they cannot immerse themselves in the sewer of piracy because of the risk of contamination and then possible exposure to the people around them.

Finally, there are also still many, many people who believe in paying for and not stealing, other peoples' work and this market is rapidly expanding.

[sandie caine]

we (producers) really are up shit creek here with regard to piracy.

i was recently able to buy two pirates of my own productions on AW. both sellers had some dodgy disclaimer about the selling of the disk only being available as a back up programe and only available to the owner of the programme (which would have been me). one guy had the scense to work out i was the rightful owner of the product and promptly took all my lines of his catalogue but the other guy sent me a copy with the cheek to ask me to leave him positive feedback on his profile.

after being in touch with someone at the Met who deals specificly with piracy, being just a small fish i didnt get very far. there too busy targeting the gangs and factories which i can appreciate and are doing a good job at.

i then approcahed FACT (the federation against copyright theft) who stated they only help big companies like sony and warner bros.
They suggested i speak with my local trading standards but alas even they couldnt help as to make a complaint you have to define which catchment area you/the offender fall into (they are split in regions, usually set by councils) and since the internet is not a geographical thing i couldnt make a complaint due to not being able to state a region for which the complaint to be taken up with.

the guy from the Met was very helpful, just busy but maybe if the producers spoke with him collectively he may be able to offer more support.

anyway if anyone wants his details let me know.

[one eyed jack]

Thats interesting sandie.

I know FACT mainly protect those who subsidise them and to be honest , if the adult business was that united we could devise a way of reducing the impact of piracy in several ways but because the adult industry is largely self or non regulated no one really cares.

Add to that, dvd sales as it is dont really warrant this attention anyway.

But something can be done to limit it and this is why I saw a producers association with everyone on board trying to make that difference.

Cynics maybe right when they think it may not make a bit of difference but I think its a start by letting people know you are trying to do something about it.

Ultimately is it really worth the effort? people will steal anything thats not bolted down so what would their attitude be if its available for free?

The answer is out there right now

[emptyjampot]

Even if you stop the sale of pirate dvds this isn't going to have much effect. People rip and upload porn not for profit but because they have anti-establishment attitudes, the same reason geeks crack protected software.

Here's a good idea for a website. Get a few producers who'd be interested in letting their porn shoots be streamed live. What punters need is to feel more a part of the action, live porn is the ticket.

John Thompson of GGG fame puts a telephone number on his dvds for anyone who wants to participate. I bet a lot of guys bought into this porn because of this number even though most will not attempt to participate. It's unintentional on Thompson's part that the telephone number has boosted sales more than it has boosted participation. I can't prove it, of course.

[emptyjampot]

Jimslip,

There are plenty of businessmen involved with football, who have little or no interest in the game itself. They are just there for the money. If it's no longer possible to make much of a profit from porn for whatever reason then that's good. It will get rid of all the sexless wonders in the porn industry, hopefully leaving behind just those performers who really get a buzz out of performing.

The most boring porn ever has got to be Private, and they are among the most profitable. Maybe profitability of a porn company is inversely proportional to the watchability of it's products.

[kendo]

Hey guys,

All I can say is the future looks very rosie indeed for us here. Maybe because we believe in what we do and don't give a fuck about what everybody else is doing?

Think positive and goiod things come think negative and what the fuck do you think will come.

Stop fucking moaning so much

Kenny

[one eyed jack]

Think positive and goiod things come think negative and what the fuck do you think will come.

Stop fucking moaning so much

Moses couldnt have said it better dude!

That is why you are where you are at!

[one eyed jack]

Hey guys,

All I can say is the future looks very rosie indeed for us here. Maybe because we believe in what we do and don't give a fuck about what everybody else is doing?

Think positive and goiod things come think negative and what the fuck do you think will come.

Stop fucking moaning so much

Kenny


Moses couldnt have said it better!

Thats why you are where you are at!

There is a lot of paranoia in the business right now and I think it is really holding a lot of people back.

[sandie caine]

sorry guys... going back to this piracy issue i just read this.
http://www.xbiz.com/articles/99862

[addy]

I think quality stuff always survives. Sex is one of the basic need of humans. Though with ups and downs it lasts until mankind!!! I think the stratgey is for producers to adapt to regional orientation more than giving monotony of just fucking!

[doyle]

People are always going to copy, it be tapes, photos, DVD or video files. Computers just make it easery and simple to share around.

Original content is what people want, and using the Itunes busness model is the way forward, small packages of videos for a small price.

Then is it easyer to download the real think than fight with bit torrents!

Well in the great depression that is forcast everyone will still be fucking & getting drunk! and that pretty much never chanages!

[MelsMovies]

Just wandering by and saw this post, so thought I'd put my thoughts down.

Porn will always sell, it's a product that's based on one of our primal drives, just like food. It's just that we've hit a situation of oversaturisation of low cost content. Combined with the ease of piracy and our current economic downturn, it's not a healthy situation for mainstream porn producers.

As OEJ said, the standard porn doesn't do anything now, the oversaturisation has caused standard porn to seem boring. That's doesn't mean that porn won't sell, it just have to be done differently to stand out from the chaff.

So, it'll be the niche stuff that sells in the future, the more micro the niche, the better it'll sell. Also, I think you'll start to see storylines coming back into scenes, eg a more rounded product rather than simple sex scenes.

Combined with developments in technology making it even easier for producers to release their product direct on the market, I think the futures quite rossy.

Anyway, just my thoughts

Adam

[Dazza]

I've always followed your threads Adam and you talk a lot of common sense....

Niche...niche....then throw in a bit of....niche!!

It's not so much the content anymore...it's the delivery.

IPTV will help with this...possibly??