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Bookworm
15th September 2008, 07:57 PM
I am not involved in porn, but look at the forums on occasion. I noticed a thread on BGAFD, threatening legal action over contracts and published the following legal argument, which was promptly removed. The threats however remain, so you can draw your own conclusions on this.

Anyway I publish this, for the benefit of all the models who have entered into contracts to undertake porn:

(R v Registrar of Companies, ex parte Attorney General )

In the Miss Whiplash case some years ago the judge declared:

"It is well settled that a contract which is made upon a sexually immoral consideration or for a sexually immoral purpose is against public policy and is illegal and unenforceable. The fact that it does not involve or may not involve the commission of a criminal offence in no way prevents the contract being illegal, being against public policy and therefore being unenforceable. Here, as the documents clearly indicate, the association, (Miss Whiplashes Ltd Company) is for the purpose of carrying on a trade which involves illegal contracts because the purpose is a sexually immoral purpose and as such against public policy".

Although, the above case refers to the act of trading as a prostitute, the key words to note are, “It is well settled”, "Sexually immoral purpose." and "Unenforceable."

Bearing in mind, that such a contract may not clearly state, that a performer is required to perform in, “Hard core porn”. Indeed, the performer’s obligation may be cloaked in language that masks the ultimate goal.

However, in a case of breach of said contract brought about by the Producer against the performer, under cross examination, by the defendant’s learned counsel, it would soon become clear from the defendant ie the performer, that the ultimate and inherent intention within the contract, although unwritten, was to obligate him or her to have sexual intercourse, with anyone the plaintiff so chose, with a camera present and on a number of occasions. In addition, learned counsel, would almost certainly, bring forth a wide selection of the plaintiff’s previous, “ Works”, for perusal by the judge, at his or her leisure, in order to confirm in the judges mind, the raison d’etre of the plaintiff’s company.

In the event that the plaintiff had an internet based company and in the not so unlikely event that the learned judge, had not heard of the internet. I am sure learned counsel for the defendant, would be delighted to furnish the judge with a so called, “Notebook” computer, a membership password to the plaintiff’s website, links to some particularly juicy scenes together with a pupil (Preferably of a strict moral and religious background) to tutor M’Lord in the art of surfing through a hard-core porn site. Not before pointing out to the judge that this material could, in theory, be accessed in the UK alone, by at least 25 million people….. of all ages.

So, under further cross examination, it could be established that the performer, had been obligated to perform sexual tasks, within the context of the “scenes” that a person of good character, or indeed a jury, would find possibly repulsive and immoral. Please note, that one has no right to a jury in a case of breach of contract, so in most cases, it would remain for the judge to make the ultimate decision. Of course the case could be referred to the Queen’s Bench Division, but this would be unlikely in such a case, because the words in the above judgement, “It is well settled”, suggest that this principle has been discussed and decided on a number of previous occasions.

Not that I know anything about the Law of Contract!

So, ladies and gentlemen, in the light of the points that I have made, my question is, would a judge in these enlightened times, consider a contract that obligates one party to perform in a variety of hard-core porn scenes, at different levels of perversity, over a fixed term, in return for a consideration, consider the performance of the contract to be for, "A Sexually immoral purpose?"

Answers please, particularly from judges, learned counsel, or ideally the Attorney General himself! LOL

jimslip
17th September 2008, 09:19 PM
You sound suspiciously like Rumpole of the Bailey! LOL

I had to work my way through your post, but I take it that you mean that a contract made between a model and a producer to do hard core, is worth as much as bog roll!

I think any judge would still think hard core is immoral. I think you could probably get away with a contract for glamour. But certainly anything involving a "Dick" sounds like it would be an "Illegal" contract.

one eyed jack
18th September 2008, 04:30 PM
Hey is that you Paul?

Come out of the cold and join UKAP for a drink man!

Bookworm
18th September 2008, 08:13 PM
Firstly Jim, may I say much I enjoy your jolly japes!

However, I must state that you completely and totally incorrect in your quaint assertion that the discussed contracts were, "worth as much as bog roll!". On the last occasion that I perused the price of Andrex 2 Ply at Fortnum & Masons, the price asked was in the region of £1.92. I would wager this is therefore far in excess of the legal value of one of the aforementioned contracts.

Some of you that inhabit the "Porn Bubble" believe all judges to be reactionary, stupid, old bigots. Well some certainly are, but all the same, all judges are charged with the responsibility of making up law, or officially, that is, interpreting the law. The law and how it is enforced constantly changes over time, due to precedence.

So, going back to the topic in question, the reason the judge mentioned "Sexually moral purpose", three times in his judgement was because he knew that if he'd allowed the contract to be enforceable for a "Sexually immoral purpose" it would set...a precedent.

A contract such as this is no more than a Contract of Employment, so it would mean a clause to supply sexual favours to an employer, would be enforceable. It would mean an employer could, with the correct legal clause, actually own exclusive sexual use of your body to do so what he wished.

Just because there is someone filming the event, changes nothing.

I'm afraid English Law and sex make unhappy bedfellows and producers that believe they can apply and enforce the legal values of society outside of the, "Porn bubble", will be sorely surprised, when and if they actually take recourse in Law.

one eyed jack
20th September 2008, 09:13 PM
Try telling that to Hiwatt.

He'd only twist up your brain with legal jargon.

"Eh? Do wot mate!?"

He is a funny guy that seems to speak like Robocop. Except Robocop was at least more concise and to the point..

I actually read Hiwatts post in my head like I was Robocop and it made more sense...Nah actually it didnt. It still sounded like intellectual gobbledegook designed to confuse which makes Hiwat not only arrogant but very patronising and condescending.

All that money and he'll have us believe his poorly designed site was just a test that served its puprose before the launch of generation 2. Ha ha ha! Thats funny.

They kept people waiting so long you'd think theyd get it right the first time.

jimslip
25th September 2008, 02:06 PM
Well Bookworm, I had a word with a solicitor who said in principle you are indeed correct

I am wondering whether you lurk in the shadows, wearing gown and wig and use the expression, "I put it to you ladies and gentlemen of the jury" in your work?

I do not expect a reply LOL